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Salt Lake City,UT,USA

Member Since:

May 06, 2006

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Local Elite

Running Accomplishments:

Won Park City Marathon (tiny field, slow course, no purse) and Utah Grand Slam in 2006

Marathon: 2:37:04 (St. George 2009)

Short-Term Running Goals:

Train for as solid a race in Boston 2011 as my schedule will allow.  Accept the fact that there isn't room in my life to train for a breakthrough performance and do the best I can under the circumstances.

Long-Term Running Goals:

Lose the all-or-nothing mentality and start using running as an outlet instead of an additional source of stress.

Personal:

I'm married with 4 kids (2 boys, 2 girls) and live in Salt Lake City, where I work as a real estate attorney. 

Let me have men about me that are fat,
Sleek-headed men and such as sleep a-nights.
Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look,
He thinks too much; such men are dangerous.

"Julius Caesar," Act I, scene 2, 190-95

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10 x 2-min repeats at Sugarhouse Park (I decided it was time to start incorporating some terrain into my speed work).

Warmup: 1.02 mi

1: 5:11/mi (171 bpm)

2: 4:54/mi (177 bpm) (these were way too fast, so--spoiler alert--bonk ahead)

3: 5:31/mi (180 bpm)

4: 5:48/mi (179 bpm)

5: 5:29/mi (172 bpm)

6: 5:21/mi (176 bpm)

7: 5:24/mi (177 bpm)

8: 6:21/mi (180 bpm) (this one started at the base of the long hill on the south side and I was fried by the time I got to the top but still had about 1:30 to go on the repeat)

9: 5:27/mi (176 bpm)

10: 5:19/mi (180 bpm)

Cooldown: 1.5 mi

Because my 305 doesn't give pace information during intervals, I had no idea how fast I was going on any of the repeats.  However, I blew up so bad on #8 that I thought I'd be lucky to stay sub-7.  I clearly need to work on pacing myself on the early repeats so that I don't pop later in my workout.  I was surprised that my HR stayed below 180 most of the time.  That usually indicates that I'm not working hard enough, but I felt pretty hammered from #3 on.  It seems like my legs were more of a problem than usual today, probably because of the introduction of hills into my speed work.  All in all, I was pleasantly surprised by most of the splits.  Based on how I felt, I thought most of them would be 5:45 or slower.  The 4:54 was a complete anomaly and clearly hurt me later.

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Comments
From kelsey on Wed, May 27, 2009 at 12:33:53 from 75.65.234.176

Good run. I, too, have learned the hard way about doing speed work off the track. I don't think the 8th one should count! Then you stayed pretty even.

From Jed on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 17:34:57 from 207.173.78.2

Thanks, Kelsey. I know what you mean about speed work away from the track. It seems to pay off in races, but it can be depressing sometimes! I have to admit that I was tempted to lie about that 8th split, though.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 17:45:00 from 64.81.245.109

Doing intervals with Garmin can give you a spoiler just from the device error alone. I've measured quarters in 2:43 while running normally on more than one occasion. And once I hit several quarters in 70 at the end of TOU. I was only running 6:00 pace or so. So you may just as well just guess how fast you are going from HR and call it good.

From Jed on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 18:09:41 from 207.173.78.2

Sasha, I've never had trouble using my 305 for splits. I don't find the pace display terribly accurate in real time (and rarely check it during workouts or races except at mile splits), but for splits it seems pretty consistent with my biological speedometer (maybe I've just calibrated myself to the device, who knows?). The only issue I've had is with HR, which on rare occasions shows me hitting as high as 200+ bpm, presumably due to electrical interference. I do like to run without the device sometimes, but not on speed workouts. Because I don't train consistently year in and year out the way you do, I can't gauge my pace very accurately, particularly when I'm in a training phase (like right now) where my performance is improving each week. In today's workout, for example, had I guessed my pace based on perceived effort, I would have pegged my splits at 15-20 sec/mi slower than the Garmin had them. I like the results the Garmin gave me so I'm going to rely on them! It's an interesting point, though. I'd be curious to know what others think about it.

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 18:13:33 from 64.81.245.109

I use landmarks when I do speed. They do not move no matter what.

From Jed on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 18:15:20 from 207.173.78.2

I just realized that my comment contradicts itself. What I really mean is that I trust the Garmin over my biological speedometer because when I've been in a consistent training pattern, I've found the splits on my Garmin consistent with my biological speedometer. I'm working back into that phase now, so I rely on it more heavily than I will in a few months.

From Jed on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 18:17:09 from 207.173.78.2

Sasha, the speed work I'm doing right now is time-based, not distance-based. That's why I have to rely on the Garmin. Plus, I'm not a numbers guy like you and don't like calculating pace!

From Sasha Pachev on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 18:21:39 from 64.81.245.109

Another thought. If your natural sense of pace tells you the effort is right, that is how fast you should be going regardless of the measurements.

And one more. If you are out of shape, it is better to build base than do intervals. The reason is intervals improve muscle power and neural drive. Base improves the aerobic function. When out of shape, aerobic function would be quite a bit behind the muscle power and neural drive. So a speed session becomes useful mostly from the aerobic perspective, being worth the distance you are covering in the workout. Not much happens in the neural drive/muscle power department because you lack the fitness to push it. But you could cover a greater distance if you ran slower, and you would be able to go the next day the same distance as well.

From Jed on Thu, Jun 04, 2009 at 18:49:42 from 207.173.78.2

Thanks for the tip, Sasha. I should clarify that I'm exactly not out of shape. I did spend several months building an aerobic base. However, I hadn't done any speed work for over 2 years until March, so I'm just starting to get back to a place where a 5:30 pace feels something close to what a 5:30 pace used to feel like. In the first few weeks it felt like a 5:00 pace used to feel. But your point is well taken. Thanks.

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